(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[CycaHuH]PB[backpast]BR[9d]DT[2005-11-26]PC[The Kiseido Go Server \(KGS\) at [
kgs.kiseido.com]]C[backpast [9d?\]: Master Go, board 1, round 4
backpast [9d?\]: have a good game!
]RE[B+25.50]
;B[qe]CR[qe]BL[3729.695]C[CycaHuH [-\]: thx... you too
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]WL[3731.516]
;B[oq]CR[oq]BL[3727.18]
;W[qp]CR[qp]WL[3694.289]C[hmph [4k\]: Q6 later!
hmph [4k\]: no chance =\(
]
;B[pn]CR[pn]BL[3707.14]
;W[op]CR[op]WL[3667.243]
;B[np]CR[np]BL[3697.062]C[backpast [9d?\]: не знаю джосеки
backpast [9d?\]: все забыл за долгие годы....
backpast [9d?\]: только название отложилось, тайша , вроде
M00lpar: does anyone understand what backpast is saying?
CycaHuH [-\]: да ладно ловишь
Frutis [8k\]: he says he forgot joseki :\)
M00lpar: lol :\)
M00lpar: thx^^
backpast [9d?\]: я человек честный, не могу же я все 10000 вариантов тайши знать :\)
backpast [9d?\]: вот и выбрал что полегче
backpast [9d?\]: Сусанины - они такие - заведут в дебри тайши ...
backpast [9d?\]: и обманут
Cruiff: Надо лекции посещать - там была тема: необычные шимари
]
;W[oo]CR[oo]WL[3441.698]
;B[pq]CR[pq]BL[3694.849]
;W[qq]CR[qq]WL[3433.321]
;B[qr]CR[qr]BL[3684.189]C[firebolt [5d\]: in fact,black is playing the latest joseki
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]WL[3404.677]C[hmph [4k\]: hmm. there are 10000 variations to the taisha joseki?
]
;B[or]CR[or]BL[3681.648]
;W[pl]CR[pl]WL[3394.17]C[firebolt [5d\]: the O4 is the latest one:-\)
M00lpar: p2 is joseki?
]
;B[co]CR[co]BL[3662.454]C[M00lpar: looks somehow strange to me... but well, the pro will know what he's doin ;\)
hmph [4k\]: could ask him about it later
M00lpar: yeah maybe, cuz i dont understand why p2 is better then for example n3
hmph [4k\]: hmm
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]WL[3319.965]C[hmph [4k\]: i may be wrong
hmph [4k\]: but compared to n3, p2 makes s2 gote
]
;B[gq]CR[gq]BL[3640.725]C[M00lpar: yep of course, but still s2 is endgame...
]
;W[ep]CR[ep]WL[3298.907]
;B[lp]CR[lp]BL[3637.856]C[hmph [4k\]: breakfast is very particular about endgame
hmph [4k\]: he avoids fighting, and can depend on his endgame
hmph [4k\]: which he considers good
M00lpar: mhh thats a point yeah
bruceLee [9d\]: who is this w?
M00lpar: but still, as for me i would like m3 better cuz it develops the left side... but im just 6k so anyway no idea whats good and bad ;\)Ä
]
;W[cp]CR[cp]WL[3179.598]C[hmph [4k\]: true
hmph [4k\]: if its a new joseki, then only time will tell which is better =\)
]
;B[pm]CR[pm]BL[3587.742]
;W[ql]CR[ql]WL[3153.463]C[hmph [4k\]: Q7!!!!!
]
;B[rm]CR[rm]BL[3579.795]C[hmph [4k\]: now breakfast is fighting =\)
Javaness [4k\]: a little abusive
M00lpar: hehe indeed hmph :\)
]
;W[no]CR[no]WL[2988.125]C[Javaness [4k\]: but i don't see a refutation
]
;B[nm]CR[nm]BL[3561.853]
;W[ol]CR[ol]WL[2977.129]
;B[nn]CR[nn]BL[3558.964]
;W[mp]CR[mp]WL[2970.166]C[hmph [4k\]: thats why its called 'new'
M00lpar: heh
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]BL[3523.769]
;W[lo]CR[lo]WL[2930.304]
;B[ko]CR[ko]BL[3518.81]
;W[ln]CR[ln]WL[2906.98]
;B[nl]CR[nl]BL[3509.464]
;W[mq]CR[mq]WL[2873.795]
;B[mr]CR[mr]BL[3506.666]
;W[nq]CR[nq]WL[2869.092]
;B[kr]CR[kr]BL[3473.525]
;W[nk]CR[nk]WL[2816.43]
;B[mk]CR[mk]BL[3467.847]
;W[nj]CR[nj]WL[2794.386]
;B[pj]CR[pj]BL[3425.377]
;W[pi]CR[pi]WL[2742.961]
;B[qj]CR[qj]BL[3393.354]
;W[qi]CR[qi]WL[2712.566]
;B[ri]CR[ri]BL[3386.069]
;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[2689.935]
;B[rk]CR[rk]BL[3382.145]
;W[si]CR[si]WL[2674.564]
;B[rj]CR[rj]BL[3379.13]C[Javaness [4k\]: white is pwnd
M00lpar: jep
M00lpar: pure pwnage^^
hmph [4k\]: hmm
hmph [4k\]: seems too easy for breakfast
]
;W[qg]CR[qg]WL[2514.922]C[M00lpar: ya
]
;B[ro]CR[ro]BL[3266.708]C[hmph [4k\]: did u see his game against roln111?
M00lpar: yep, was pretty good
hmph [4k\]: he blundered right at the end, and still won
hmph [4k\]: it seems, the difference in standard between pro and ama is pretty big
M00lpar: mhh dont clearly remember :\) maybe ill watch it again later
M00lpar: i dont know, roln111 is also pretty strong! but still weaker then alexander of course
M00lpar: but i think soon he'll be as strong as him
hmph [4k\]: yeah
hmph [4k\]: i still remember roln111's win against vic1000
hmph [4k\]: the one where his tesuji killed his teacher's group
hmph [4k\]: it was brilliant
M00lpar: yep :\)
M00lpar: but vic is a weak pro. but of course still very strong compared to us
hmph [4k\]: hmmm
hmph [4k\]: why do u say vic is weak?
hmph [4k\]: he plays teaching games against roln
hmph [4k\]: i'm not sure if thats a good gauge of his strength
M00lpar: well he said it himself, that compared to the new korean pros, where the standart is very very high he is pretty weak
]
;W[kn]CR[kn]WL[2229.166]C[M00lpar: maybe he couldnt even win against the first class of the korean inseis he said
]
;B[oi]CR[oi]BL[3247.408]C[hmph [4k\]: wow
hmph [4k\]: what about his 8p rank?
M00lpar: but like i said, still he is very very strong! if they would play with more time he'd still own rioln i guess
hmph [4k\]: i hope roln would turn pro one day
hmph [4k\]: though if even inseis are as strong as describe
hmph [4k\]: roln will have a lot to improve
M00lpar: well he is already pretty old and became pro before there was a go boom in korea
M00lpar: that time korea was much weaker then its today
M00lpar: and thus the standart to become pro was lower of course
M00lpar: well his sis is pro :\)
M00lpar: but she was specialy promoted cuz she is a foreigner, she couldnt win the test to become pro
hmph [4k\]: how recent?
runtt21 [15k?\]: who is his sis?
M00lpar: his sis is svetlana shikshina
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]WL[2067.852]C[M00lpar: mhh dont know since when shes pro
runtt21 [15k?\]: redrose?
M00lpar: dont know if shes on kgs
runtt21 [15k?\]: yes thats her
M00lpar: k :\)
hmph [4k\]: wish she took part
M00lpar: yeah would be cool
hmph [4k\]: brother vs sister match would be a spectacle
M00lpar: hehe
Lem [9k?\]: :-\)
]
;B[li]CR[li]BL[3138.942]C[hmph [4k\]: i got a different opponent now
Lem [9k?\]: \)breakfast hate battle? he got it
hmph [4k\]: 'd be back after my match
hmph [4k\]: bye everyone
Lem [9k?\]: gl
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]WL[1948.649]C[M00lpar: [
www.goweb.cz]
]
;B[jn]CR[jn]BL[3113.944]C[M00lpar: here u can watch the results of the european go congress, both took part
]
;W[jo]CR[jo]WL[1943.078]
;B[kp]CR[kp]BL[3111.311]C[M00lpar: also backpast, hes on 1st place
Lem [9k?\]: even with korean amateurs
M00lpar: yep, but there is one korean guy who won one game more then dinerstein
]
;W[jm]CR[jm]WL[1835.178]
;B[in]CR[in]BL[3107.325]C[M00lpar: but he is only on 2nd place cuz he wasnt in the supergroup
Lem [9k?\]: he starts in second group....
]
;W[kl]CR[kl]WL[1825.175]C[M00lpar: this guy is soooo unbelievible strong! they said that hes maybe the strongest korean ama right now
Lem [9k?\]: only 25 % of non-europeans in top group
M00lpar: yep, the koreans r just too strong^^
M00lpar: this guy who is on 2nd place only used like 30 minutes in every game he played!! while his opponents used all of their time of course!
M00lpar: this guy just was unbelievible
]
;B[ni]CR[ni]BL[3010.336]C[runtt21 [15k?\]: and his name is?
Lem [9k?\]: he lost cause of strange mistake
Lem [9k?\]: in one game, he was ahead
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]WL[1805.424]C[M00lpar: ah sry 3rd place i mean!
M00lpar: Park, Jong-Wook
]
;B[hm]CR[hm]BL[2997.953]C[runtt21 [15k?\]: thx
M00lpar: he also played against a friend of mine, she said that she didnt have any chance against him, though she also is 6dan!
Lem [9k?\]: who's she?
M00lpar: zhao pei
M00lpar: on 13th place
Lem [9k?\]: ic
Lem [9k?\]: there was womens championship
M00lpar: yep :\)
]
;W[lk]CR[lk]WL[1689.282]C[Lem [9k?\]: 3 persons are on 1 place \)
M00lpar: but she didnt take part
M00lpar: heh
]
;B[mj]CR[mj]BL[2976.415]
;W[ik]CR[ik]WL[1651.742]
;B[do]CR[do]BL[2971.588]C[M00lpar: ah u mean EGCW?
]
;W[bp]CR[bp]WL[1632.276]C[M00lpar: ah ok she did take part there^^ thought u meant that womens tourney at the congress ;\)
Lem [9k?\]: yes
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]BL[2940.523]C[Lem [9k?\]: I have poor English \)
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]WL[1610.638]C[Lem [9k?\]: she's first too \)
M00lpar: no way! its very good^^ just misunderstood ;\)
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]BL[2919.39]C[M00lpar: yep :\)
Lem [9k?\]: le'ts estimate position
Lem [9k?\]: who's winning?
M00lpar: black
Lem [9k?\]: I bet on Breakfast \)
M00lpar: me 2 ;\)
Lem [9k?\]: Why are you guest yet? \)
Lem [9k?\]: it's better to protect accaount with a password
M00lpar: oh i have an account, just want to watch the games without interferences ;\)
Lem [9k?\]: $-\)
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]WL[1339.905]
;B[qd]CR[qd]BL[2825.05]
;W[rf]CR[rf]WL[1294.418]
;B[re]CR[re]BL[2797.154]
;W[qb]CR[qb]WL[1235.954]
;B[rb]CR[rb]BL[2788.993]
;W[pa]CR[pa]WL[1232.588]
;B[ra]CR[ra]BL[2783.918]
;W[jd]CR[jd]WL[1224.243]
;B[cf]CR[cf]BL[2776.775]
;W[df]CR[df]WL[1213.013]
;B[dg]CR[dg]BL[2771.553]
;W[ce]CR[ce]WL[1208.308]
;B[ef]CR[ef]BL[2769.065]
;W[de]CR[de]WL[1204.491]
;B[eg]CR[eg]BL[2754.854]
;W[cg]CR[cg]WL[1190.926]
;B[ch]CR[ch]BL[2752.301]
;W[bf]CR[bf]WL[1186.943]
;B[fd]CR[fd]BL[2731.543]
;W[bh]CR[bh]WL[1172.137]
;B[ci]CR[ci]BL[2659.252]
;W[bi]CR[bi]WL[1151.658]
;B[cj]CR[cj]BL[2643.896]
;W[fc]CR[fc]WL[972.821]
;B[ec]CR[ec]BL[2550.047]
;W[ed]CR[ed]WL[962.887]
;B[fb]CR[fb]BL[2543.993]
;W[gc]CR[gc]WL[959.621]
;B[gb]CR[gb]BL[2541.977]
;W[eb]CR[eb]WL[793.565]
;B[dc]CR[dc]BL[2532.203]
;W[db]CR[db]WL[786.156]
;B[cc]CR[cc]BL[2529.531]
;W[cb]CR[cb]WL[779.785]
;B[hc]CR[hc]BL[2520.847]
;W[gd]CR[gd]WL[775.248]
;B[bc]CR[bc]BL[2485.379]
;W[bb]CR[bb]WL[764.591]
;B[jc]CR[jc]BL[2463.389]
;W[kc]CR[kc]WL[704.67]
;B[id]CR[id]BL[2390.53]
;W[jb]CR[jb]WL[680.083]
;B[fe]CR[fe]BL[2385.714]
;W[he]CR[he]WL[615.638]
;B[ie]CR[ie]BL[2369.083]
;W[hf]CR[hf]WL[607.476]
;B[je]CR[je]BL[2357.324]
;W[ic]CR[ic]WL[583.385]
;B[ib]CR[ib]BL[2339.374]
;W[jc]CR[jc]WL[470.651]
;B[hd]CR[hd]BL[2336.74]
;W[ge]CR[ge]WL[464.78]
;B[ig]CR[ig]BL[2320.79]
;W[bd]CR[bd]WL[222.582]
;B[hg]CR[hg]BL[2312.583]
;W[ac]CR[ac]WL[205.36]
;B[gf]CR[gf]BL[2299.332]
;W[cd]CR[cd]WL[201.195]
;B[if]CR[if]BL[2291.239]
;W[ec]CR[ec]WL[183.4]
;B[lm]CR[lm]BL[2259.73]
;W[ll]CR[ll]WL[150]
;B[il]CR[il]BL[2242.182]
;W[kj]CR[kj]WL[120]
;B[jk]CR[jk]BL[2216.816]
;W[jj]CR[jj]WL[120]
;B[ij]CR[ij]BL[2194.481]
;W[nr]CR[nr]WL[120]
;B[ns]CR[ns]BL[2191.347]
;W[rr]CR[rr]WL[120]
;B[rs]CR[rs]BL[2186.281]
;W[rp]CR[rp]WL[120]
;B[hk]CR[hk]BL[2165.475]
;W[sq]CR[sq]WL[90]
;B[me]CR[me]BL[2116.327]
;W[nd]CR[nd]WL[90]
;B[lc]CR[lc]BL[2101.915]
;W[ia]CR[ia]WL[90]
;B[hb]CR[hb]BL[2090.371]
;W[lb]CR[lb]WL[90]
;B[mc]CR[mc]BL[2070.964]
;W[mb]CR[mb]WL[90]
;B[fo]CR[fo]BL[2044.869]
;W[fp]CR[fp]WL[90]
;B[gp]CR[gp]BL[2041.474]
;W[eo]CR[eo]WL[90]
;B[en]CR[en]BL[2039.309]
;W[fn]CR[fn]WL[90]
;B[go]CR[go]BL[2036.809]
;W[dn]CR[dn]WL[90]
;B[em]CR[em]BL[2035.164]
;W[cn]CR[cn]WL[90]
;B[dm]CR[dm]BL[2021.143]
;W[cm]CR[cm]WL[90]
;B[cl]CR[cl]BL[2016.468]
;W[bo]CR[bo]WL[90]
;B[bm]CR[bm]BL[2011.27]
;W[bn]CR[bn]WL[90]
;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[2003.785]
;W[km]CR[km]WL[90]C[au2 [4k\]: can b win the ko?
dotanuki [7d?\]: prolly not
dotanuki [7d?\]: and he doesnt have to win the ko
]
;B[sf]CR[sf]BL[1920.679]C[au2 [4k\]: thx
]
;W[sg]CR[sg]WL[90]
;B[se]CR[se]BL[1911.887]
;W[fr]CR[fr]WL[90]
;B[gr]CR[gr]BL[1902.138]
;W[jh]CR[jh]WL[90]
;B[qf]CR[qf]BL[1873.757]
;W[og]CR[og]WL[90]
;B[oh]CR[oh]BL[1852.747]
;W[ii]CR[ii]WL[90]
;B[hi]CR[hi]BL[1849.396]
;W[ke]CR[ke]WL[90]
;B[kf]CR[kf]BL[1834.454]
;W[le]CR[le]WL[90]
;B[lf]CR[lf]BL[1821.798]
;W[md]CR[md]WL[90]
;B[ne]CR[ne]BL[1788.346]
;W[oe]CR[oe]WL[90]
;B[ng]CR[ng]BL[1773.208]
;W[fq]CR[fq]WL[90]
;B[fs]CR[fs]BL[1770.312]
;W[es]CR[es]WL[90]
;B[gs]CR[gs]BL[1768.55]
;W[er]CR[er]WL[90]
;B[ph]CR[ph]BL[1747.187]
;W[pg]CR[pg]WL[90]
;B[qh]CR[qh]BL[1744.975]
;W[rg]CR[rg]WL[90]
;B[bl]CR[bl]BL[1737.561]
;W[bj]CR[bj]WL[90]
;B[so]CR[so]BL[1724.672]
;W[qo]CR[qo]WL[90]
;B[qn]CR[qn]BL[1721.753]
;W[sp]CR[sp]WL[90]
;B[ha]CR[ha]BL[1702.311]
;W[ja]CR[ja]WL[90]C[dotanuki [7d?\]: b is really playing a risky free game
]
;B[ps]CR[ps]BL[1668.667]
;W[bk]CR[bk]WL[90]
;B[ck]CR[ck]BL[1664.387]
;W[on]CR[on]WL[90]
;B[om]CR[om]BL[1661.266]
;W[ee]CR[ee]WL[90]
;B[ff]CR[ff]BL[1658.604]
;W[nf]CR[nf]WL[90]
;B[mf]CR[mf]BL[1654.643]
;W[sr]CR[sr]WL[90]
;B[pd]CR[pd]BL[1650.41]
;W[od]CR[od]WL[90]
;B[kh]CR[kh]BL[1637.576]
;W[jg]CR[jg]WL[90]
;B[ih]CR[ih]BL[1625.884]
;W[kg]CR[kg]WL[90]
;B[ji]CR[ji]BL[1615.623]
;W[ki]CR[ki]WL[90]
;B[lh]CR[lh]BL[1613.837]
;W[ii]CR[ii]WL[90]
;B[ld]CR[ld]BL[1609.903]
;W[kd]CR[kd]WL[90]
;B[ji]CR[ji]BL[1607.836]
;W[ls]CR[ls]WL[90]
;B[ms]CR[ms]BL[1599.753]
;W[ii]CR[ii]WL[90]
;B[bg]CR[bg]BL[1590.8]
;W[ag]CR[ag]WL[90]
;B[ji]CR[ji]BL[1588.838]
;W[sc]CR[sc]WL[90]
;B[rc]CR[rc]BL[1583.64]
;W[ii]CR[ii]WL[90]
;B[kb]CR[kb]BL[1575.549]
;W[nc]CR[nc]WL[90]
;B[ji]CR[ji]BL[1573.468]
;W[lr]CR[lr]WL[90]
;B[ks]CR[ks]BL[1570.942]
;W[ii]CR[ii]WL[90]
;B[lg]CR[lg]BL[1551.451]
;W[lj]CR[lj]WL[90]
;B[ml]CR[ml]BL[1544.294]
;W[ji]CR[ji]WL[90]
;B[qa]CR[qa]BL[1541.101]
;W[fa]CR[fa]WL[90]
;B[pb]CR[pb]BL[1538.34]
;W[ss]CR[ss]WL[90]
;B[qs]CR[qs]BL[1533.661]
;W[qb]CR[qb]WL[90]
;B[mn]CR[mn]BL[1531.005]
;W[mo]CR[mo]WL[90]
;B[pb]CR[pb]BL[1529.162]
;W[rn]CR[rn]WL[90]
;B[sn]CR[sn]BL[1525.989]
;W[qb]CR[qb]WL[90]
;B[ea]CR[ea]BL[1523.76]
;W[da]CR[da]WL[90]
;B[pb]CR[pb]BL[1521.897]
;W[sm]CR[sm]WL[90]
;B[sl]CR[sl]BL[1518.013]
;W[qb]CR[qb]WL[90]
;B[an]CR[an]BL[1509.943]
;W[pb]CR[pb]WL[90]
;B[ak]CR[ak]BL[1505.288]
;W[aj]CR[aj]WL[90]
;B[sj]CR[sj]BL[1501.671]
;W[jl]CR[jl]WL[90]
;B[ao]CR[ao]BL[1491.455]
;W[ap]CR[ap]WL[90]
;B[am]CR[am]BL[1490.578]
;W[of]CR[of]WL[90]
;B[jf]CR[jf]BL[1482.366]
;W[sh]CR[sh]WL[90]
;B[al]CR[al]BL[1480.474]
;W[kk]CR[kk]WL[90]
;B[ik]CR[ik]BL[1477.996]
;W[ea]CR[ea]WL[90]
;B[im]CR[im]BL[1475.669]
;W[]WL[90]
;B[]BL[1475.669]TW[aa][ba][ca][ka][la][ma][na][oa][ab][kb][nb][bc][cc][dc][lc][mc][ad][ld][ae][be][af][cf][bg][ah][ai][co][do][dp][np][aq][bq][cq][eq][rq][ar][br][cr][dr][as][bs][cs][ds]TB[sa][sb][sc][rd][sd][fg][gg][mg][dh][eh][fh][gh][hh][mh][nh][di][ei][fi][gi][mi][pi][qi][dj][ej][fj][gj][hj][nj][oj][dk][ek][fk][gk][nk][ok][pk][qk][sk][dl][el][fl][gl][hl][ol][pl][ql][rl][fm][gm][qm][sm][fn][gn][hn][rn][ho][io][jo][hp][ip][jp][hq][iq][jq][kq]
[ir][jr][lr][pr][hs][is][js][ls][os]C[backpast [9d?\]: спасибо
CycaHuH [-\]: спасибо за игру
bambr [1d?\]: скупые эмоции :\)\)
])
